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	<title>Comments on: Gritty Bournville</title>
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	<description>The latest news, pics and chat from Bournville in Birmingham</description>
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		<title>By: Bournville Village &#124; Happy Birthday Bournville Village!</title>
		<link>http://bournvillevillage.com/?p=555&#038;cpage=1#comment-6193</link>
		<dc:creator>Bournville Village &#124; Happy Birthday Bournville Village!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 09:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the snow blitz we received national recognition for our map of gritting routes (which roads are prioritised by the council) made from local government [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the snow blitz we received national recognition for our map of gritting routes (which roads are prioritised by the council) made from local government [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Passing over the hyperlocal baton &#171; How to microblog in high heels</title>
		<link>http://bournvillevillage.com/?p=555&#038;cpage=1#comment-2994</link>
		<dc:creator>Passing over the hyperlocal baton &#171; How to microblog in high heels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 09:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I know Dave will do a great job. There have already been some fantastic posts in my absence such as this snow post with a gritting priority map and Birmingham&#8217;s Poet Laureate showing his support for Bournville and some absolutely [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I know Dave will do a great job. There have already been some fantastic posts in my absence such as this snow post with a gritting priority map and Birmingham&#8217;s Poet Laureate showing his support for Bournville and some absolutely [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Open Data &#8211; it would be nice if it were true &#124; the albert memorial is still there</title>
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		<dc:creator>Open Data &#8211; it would be nice if it were true &#124; the albert memorial is still there</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] easily import that data for their own use &#8211; to produce a map of the routes just for your own local area, or for the whole city. Dave&#8217;s point was that he had to do a whole bunch of unnecessary work [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] easily import that data for their own use &#8211; to produce a map of the routes just for your own local area, or for the whole city. Dave&#8217;s point was that he had to do a whole bunch of unnecessary work [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Mabbett</title>
		<link>http://bournvillevillage.com/?p=555&#038;cpage=1#comment-2476</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Mabbett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The permalink for the BCC page is http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/gritting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The permalink for the BCC page is <a href="http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/gritting" rel="nofollow">http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/gritting</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian Homer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Homer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s great Dave! Throws up some interesting anomalies - why is the main No 11 route not a No 1 priority for instance. Probably explains why it all goes Pete Tong often if only the Bristol Road is Priority 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s great Dave! Throws up some interesting anomalies &#8211; why is the main No 11 route not a No 1 priority for instance. Probably explains why it all goes Pete Tong often if only the Bristol Road is Priority 1.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Homer</title>
		<link>http://bournvillevillage.com/?p=555&#038;cpage=1#comment-2368</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Homer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree about freeing up the data. And clearly Dave has spent time translating the info into a visual and more usable form. And it is very useful. It should be easier - in my view not only should it be available for use but the Council ought to be publishing this kind of info as a matter of course.

I don&#039;t think I agree with Hannah on areas though and this brings up the issue of hyperlocal and what that means and how it relates to communities. On the simple point of this data Dave has already included Stirchley and other areas which may be in the Ward but certainly are not in what i would call Bournville. 

In my view Ward boundaries are not always a good match with actual communities. In my case a Weoley Ward blog would not have much traction as Weoley Ward&#039;s boundaries don&#039;t correspond with meaningful communities. A blog for Weoley Castle might make sense but I don&#039;t feel part of that community and I would guess that others locally don&#039;t either. I used to be involved with Weoley Hill Village Council which is one of the resident/tenant groups within BVT. That covers the mainly 30s part of the BVT Estate this side of the Bristol Road but not Shenley. 

I guess a blog for Weoley Hill would be possible but because it is almost completely residential with only a church and a handful of shops I don&#039;t think it would work that well. 

I think the best approach to local blogs is to be flexible and go with what might make sense to people and communities. My speculation, for instance, is that most people in Weoley Hill feel more part of Bournville that they do of Weoley Castle or Selly Oak. In practical terms we have to deal with BVT and the issues there are common for many tenants and residents across Weoley Hill, Bournville and Shenley for instance. To me it doesn&#039;t make a lot of sense to fragment the communication. And looking ahead if hyperlocal sites start getting more advertising then either some will get much less (ie Weoley Hill) or have to pull advertising in from outside their area. This already happens with WH Village News.

And going back to the gritty data my guess would be that no one will want to have to check a hyperlocal site for every Ward when considering a journey through Brum.

I am happy to put in some voluntary time myself but I see that time as best spent contributing to blogs I already have a connection with rather than starting another one so I am contributing to Harborne Mile as I was brought up there and still visit and shop there. And I have offered through Dave to contribute to this Bournville blog as I live on the BVT Estate and spend shopping and leisure time in Bournville (however you define that) as well as having friends and family connections in the area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree about freeing up the data. And clearly Dave has spent time translating the info into a visual and more usable form. And it is very useful. It should be easier &#8211; in my view not only should it be available for use but the Council ought to be publishing this kind of info as a matter of course.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I agree with Hannah on areas though and this brings up the issue of hyperlocal and what that means and how it relates to communities. On the simple point of this data Dave has already included Stirchley and other areas which may be in the Ward but certainly are not in what i would call Bournville. </p>
<p>In my view Ward boundaries are not always a good match with actual communities. In my case a Weoley Ward blog would not have much traction as Weoley Ward&#8217;s boundaries don&#8217;t correspond with meaningful communities. A blog for Weoley Castle might make sense but I don&#8217;t feel part of that community and I would guess that others locally don&#8217;t either. I used to be involved with Weoley Hill Village Council which is one of the resident/tenant groups within BVT. That covers the mainly 30s part of the BVT Estate this side of the Bristol Road but not Shenley. </p>
<p>I guess a blog for Weoley Hill would be possible but because it is almost completely residential with only a church and a handful of shops I don&#8217;t think it would work that well. </p>
<p>I think the best approach to local blogs is to be flexible and go with what might make sense to people and communities. My speculation, for instance, is that most people in Weoley Hill feel more part of Bournville that they do of Weoley Castle or Selly Oak. In practical terms we have to deal with BVT and the issues there are common for many tenants and residents across Weoley Hill, Bournville and Shenley for instance. To me it doesn&#8217;t make a lot of sense to fragment the communication. And looking ahead if hyperlocal sites start getting more advertising then either some will get much less (ie Weoley Hill) or have to pull advertising in from outside their area. This already happens with WH Village News.</p>
<p>And going back to the gritty data my guess would be that no one will want to have to check a hyperlocal site for every Ward when considering a journey through Brum.</p>
<p>I am happy to put in some voluntary time myself but I see that time as best spent contributing to blogs I already have a connection with rather than starting another one so I am contributing to Harborne Mile as I was brought up there and still visit and shop there. And I have offered through Dave to contribute to this Bournville blog as I live on the BVT Estate and spend shopping and leisure time in Bournville (however you define that) as well as having friends and family connections in the area.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Harte</title>
		<link>http://bournvillevillage.com/?p=555&#038;cpage=1#comment-2367</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Harte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I will extend the map into the area the other side of the Bristol Road - it shouldn&#039;t take too much time (though I suspect we&#039;ll have a thaw by the time it happens). 

But the key issue here is that the City has all this info. And the data that info is built on should be made available. If it was then it would take little more than a few clicks (he say optimistically) to translate it into a map that any local blog could make use of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I will extend the map into the area the other side of the Bristol Road &#8211; it shouldn&#8217;t take too much time (though I suspect we&#8217;ll have a thaw by the time it happens). </p>
<p>But the key issue here is that the City has all this info. And the data that info is built on should be made available. If it was then it would take little more than a few clicks (he say optimistically) to translate it into a map that any local blog could make use of.</p>
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		<title>By: Hannah Waldram</title>
		<link>http://bournvillevillage.com/?p=555&#038;cpage=1#comment-2365</link>
		<dc:creator>Hannah Waldram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, I would argue this data is incredibly useful for Bournville residents. The blog is for those who live in or are passing through the area, and isn&#039;t trying to give information for those living in Stirchley, Northfield or neighbouring districts. 
I suggest if you&#039;d like to see a blog which covers these areas you should start one yourself - the more local information the better available and people willing to put in voluntary hours to do this the better. 
The area covered on the blog is based on ward boundary data obtained from Birmingham City Council - which does mean some residents who live in Bournvile Village Trust houses are left out.
It obviously took a lot of effort to get the map produced and I think it serves as a fantastic way for residents living in or near the area to see which roads are being made priority for gritting. I support Dave&#039;s point that the city council ought to make the data more readily available, and this voluntary work by local bloggers is a bonus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, I would argue this data is incredibly useful for Bournville residents. The blog is for those who live in or are passing through the area, and isn&#8217;t trying to give information for those living in Stirchley, Northfield or neighbouring districts.<br />
I suggest if you&#8217;d like to see a blog which covers these areas you should start one yourself &#8211; the more local information the better available and people willing to put in voluntary hours to do this the better.<br />
The area covered on the blog is based on ward boundary data obtained from Birmingham City Council &#8211; which does mean some residents who live in Bournvile Village Trust houses are left out.<br />
It obviously took a lot of effort to get the map produced and I think it serves as a fantastic way for residents living in or near the area to see which roads are being made priority for gritting. I support Dave&#8217;s point that the city council ought to make the data more readily available, and this voluntary work by local bloggers is a bonus.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Harte</title>
		<link>http://bournvillevillage.com/?p=555&#038;cpage=1#comment-2356</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Harte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took the data from the City Council and just put in those roads that they had listed as &#039;Bournville&#039;. They even had Dads Lane as Bournville. 

Much of what you describe is actually down as Northfield or Selly Oak on the City data. In producing the map I had to:
a) cut and paste the data from the council website into a spreadsheet (they only list alphabetically by road)
b) draw the lines on a google map

Once I&#039;d done the guts of Bournville I stopped as it was simply taking too long. So yes, this isn&#039;t all that helpful to all Bournville residents (trust or non-trust). The City could make this all easier by releasing the KML data for the actual routes that the lorries go on. I know it has this data, I&#039;ve even met the man who looks after it. While it remains unavailable to the rest of us all we&#039;ve got is attempts like mine to extrapolate and make sense of it 

We need a &#039;Free our Brum data&#039; campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took the data from the City Council and just put in those roads that they had listed as &#8216;Bournville&#8217;. They even had Dads Lane as Bournville. </p>
<p>Much of what you describe is actually down as Northfield or Selly Oak on the City data. In producing the map I had to:<br />
a) cut and paste the data from the council website into a spreadsheet (they only list alphabetically by road)<br />
b) draw the lines on a google map</p>
<p>Once I&#8217;d done the guts of Bournville I stopped as it was simply taking too long. So yes, this isn&#8217;t all that helpful to all Bournville residents (trust or non-trust). The City could make this all easier by releasing the KML data for the actual routes that the lorries go on. I know it has this data, I&#8217;ve even met the man who looks after it. While it remains unavailable to the rest of us all we&#8217;ve got is attempts like mine to extrapolate and make sense of it </p>
<p>We need a &#8216;Free our Brum data&#8217; campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Homer</title>
		<link>http://bournvillevillage.com/?p=555&#038;cpage=1#comment-2354</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Homer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at the map again you include areas I wouldn&#039;t think of as being Bournville - for example parts of Cotteridge and Stirchley but don&#039;t include areas that do have just as much if not more links with Bournville - my area of the Estate on the other side of the Bristol Road for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at the map again you include areas I wouldn&#8217;t think of as being Bournville &#8211; for example parts of Cotteridge and Stirchley but don&#8217;t include areas that do have just as much if not more links with Bournville &#8211; my area of the Estate on the other side of the Bristol Road for example.</p>
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